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Ср, Апр 12, 2006 07:57am meks - 6609 d back	↑↓
! maja nelegali protestuja ne vixodjat na rabotu v SanFranc., NY, Detroit, LosAng., Chicago. Podderzite nelegali! P.S.Eto delo sugubo dobrovolnoje i poetomu ne nado ostavljat idiotskije komentarii.Zaraneje spasibo.

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Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:05pm [Аноним] - 6609 d back	↑↓
o kak! xe xe

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:07pm Дед Пихто - 6609 d back	↑↓
зачем мне за грамотностью следить когда есть ты

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:08pm липатов - 6609 d back	↑↓
а почему я не могу анонимно писать?

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:09pm [Аноним] - 6609 d back	↑↓
ja ze skazal, gramotnost opuskaem. Ti bukvi znaesh, chitat umejesh?

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:09pm гражданка - 6609 d back	↑↓
липатов, тебе не положено

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:12pm Дед Пихто - 6609 d back	↑↓
ну, ты меня и так понял, правда?

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:12pm Липатов - 6609 d back	↑↓
НУ ЭТО НЕ СПРАВЕДЛИВО ВЕДЬ.

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:16pm [Аноним] - 6609 d back	↑↓
vse, ded sdulsja. Na etom i mne pozvolte otklanitsa. Vsem zdorovja i udachi.

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:17pm [Аноним] - 6609 d back	↑↓
Липатов, ugu, oshibsa

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:18pm Дед Пихто - 6609 d back	↑↓
Я и не надувался (в отличие от некоторых )

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:20pm липатов - 6609 d back	↑↓
а моя приставка к нику была правильная???

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:22pm [Аноним] - 6609 d back	↑↓
tebe nado 2 raza povtorit?

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:22pm Дед Пихто - 6609 d back	↑↓
Липа, ты чё совсем старый стал, девочку от мальчика отличить не можеш?

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:23pm [Аноним] - 6609 d back	↑↓
P.P.S. Дед Пихто, izvini, sorvalas.Pravda izvini, glupostej nagovorila.

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:24pm Dervish - 6609 d back	↑↓
Anonimka, ne perezhivay, viydesh zamyuzh, polegchaet

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:26pm Дед Пихто - 6609 d back	↑↓
Тю, я и не думал обижатся. Ето ж форум. Тут иногда такое летает что только успевай освежителем воздуха брызгать......... и потом, всем известно что я тефлоновый

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:27pm [Аноним] - 6609 d back	↑↓

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:33pm ЛИПАТОВ - 6609 d back	↑↓
Я пока с вами переписывался дочь всю шоколадку съела..............

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 03:35pm Дед Пихто - 6609 d back	↑↓
хехе, в большой семье...........

Ср, Апр 12, 2006 05:39pm малышка - 6609 d back	↑↓
...Черти водятся в большой форумской семье ... Дед, слава Богу, пока никто не ругается, и пырскать не приходится пульверизатором.

Пт, Апр 14, 2006 01:07pm Elgransilencio - 6607 d back

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Anonim wrote: "mozet eshe i izvinitsa? Pochemu sushestvujet massa anekdotov pro nix? dima bez ognja ne bivaet."

I'm gonna have to agree with him on that, every stereotype holds some truth in it, otherwise it wouldn't have become a stereotype in the first place

гражданка wrote: а если я хочу хорошей жизни и пойду грабить банк, что со мной надо сделать?

let's not get carried away here...

Дед Пихто wrote: ограбление преследуется по закону, по тому же закону который запрещает нелегалов.

Is that so? Is it really the SAME law? What a load!!!!!! Last time I checked the violation of immigration law didn't amount to crime!

Пт, Апр 14, 2006 01:16pm гражданка - 6607 d back

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Пт, Апр 14, 2006 01:57pm Липатов - 6607 d back	↑↓
Привет всем!

Пт, Апр 14, 2006 02:00pm гражданка - 6607 d back	↑↓
привет, липатов

Пт, Апр 14, 2006 02:13pm гражданка - 6607 d back

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Science gets the last laugh on ethnic jokes
Study shows that real personalities don’t match national stereotypes

By Kathleen Wren
Science
Updated: 2:07 p.m. ET Oct. 6, 2005
WASHINGTON - “Heaven is where the police are English, the cooks are French, the mechanics are German, the lovers are Italian and everything is organized by the Swiss. Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are English, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, and everything is organized by the Italians.”

Obviously the national stereotypes in this old joke are generalizations, but such stereotypes are often said to “exist for a reason.” Is there actually a sliver of truth in them? Not likely, an international research team now says.

The study, which compares “typical” personalities in many cultures with the personalities of real individuals from those cultures, appears in Friday's issue of the journal Science, published by AAAS, the nonprofit science society.

Generalizations about cultures or nationalities can be a source of identity, pride ... and bad jokes. But they can also cause a great deal of harm. Both history and current events are full of examples in which unfavorable stereotypes contribute to prejudice, discrimination, persecution or even genocide.

“National and cultural stereotypes do play an important role in how people perceive themselves and others, and being aware that these are not trustworthy is a useful thing,” said study author Robert McCrae of the National Institute on Aging.

The new findings also call into question other stereotypes, such as age stereotypes, according to McCrae.

The researchers tested the possibility that cultural stereotypes might be based, at least partly, on real experiences that people have interacting with each other. If this were true, then such stereotypes would reflect the average personality of real members of that culture.

But, McCrae and his colleagues studied real and perceived personalities in roughly 50 countries and found that this wasn’t the case.

“These are in fact unfounded stereotypes. They don’t come from looking around you and doing your own averaging of people’s personality traits,” McCrae said.

How stereotypes are born
If national stereotypes aren’t rooted in real experiences, then where do they come from?

One possibility is that they reflect national values, which may emerge from historical events. For example, many historians have argued that the spirit of American individualism has its origins in the experiences of the pioneers in the Old West.

Social scientists such as psychologist Richard Robins have proposed several other possible explanations for stereotypes and why they may be inaccurate. In a commentary that accompanies the Science study, Robins notes that some stereotypes may have been accurate at one point in history and then persisted while the culture changed. Or they may have grown out of historical conflicts between cultural groups.

Yet another possibility is that some very specific components of a stereotype may be accurate — for example, Italians may gesture with their hands a lot — but that they don’t necessarily tell us anything more generally about personality.

We may be “hard-wired,” to some extent, to maintain inaccurate stereotypes, since we are less likely to notice and remember information that violates our stereotypes. Generally, according to Robins, when we encounter people who contradict prevailing generalizations, we perceive them as unique individuals rather than representatives of their national or cultural groups.

Measuring personality
Researchers generally agree that the main components of anyone’s personality can be boiled down to five different aspects: neuroticism, extraversion, openness, agreeableness and conscientiousness. How a person rates in these five categories can predict many important life “outcomes,” such as health and mortality, academic success, job performance and the ability to have successful, lasting romantic relationships.

McCrae and his colleagues have developed a questionnaire that can be used to evaluate someone’s personality according to these five basic traits. It’s called the “Revised NEO Personality Inventory," or "NEO-PI-R.” The survey results can be used to generate a profile of a person based on 30 specific characteristics that fall under these five larger categories.

The NEO-PI-R is widely accepted as an objective way to describe someone’s personality. People taking the survey can either rate themselves or someone they know well.

The survey says…
In the Science study, McCrae’s team began with two groups of NEO-PI-R surveys they had previously collected in a wide variety of countries. They averaged the profiles in each of the two sets, producing one profile that reflected how volunteers rated their own personalities and another profile that reflected how they rated the personalities of other individuals they knew.

The researchers also conducted a third survey in about 50 countries, using questions about the same 30 characteristics — but in this survey, they asked the volunteers to describe a typical person from their culture. They averaged these results, so that they had a third personality profile for each country, reflecting the national stereotype.

The authors found that in most of the countries, the two personality profiles that were based on information from real people matched each other reasonably well. But they were significantly different from the stereotype profile.

“There was essentially no agreement between people’s perceptions of the typical personality [in their culture] and what we actually measured,” McCrae said.

The one exception was Poland, where the ratings from volunteers provided a better-than-usual match between typical and real personalities, suggesting the volunteers were better at seeing past stereotypes to perceive people as they really are.

Perhaps in heaven, the therapists are Polish.

© 2006 American Association for the Advancement of Science

Пт, Апр 14, 2006 02:26pm [Аноним] - 6607 d back

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Section 1325. Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
·Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
·Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
·Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Пт, Апр 14, 2006 02:29pm Elgransilencio - 6607 d back

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гражданка wrote: это не аргумент. найди мне научное подтверждение, что блондинки глупее брюнеток

OK, first I wanna bring to your attention a fact, that stereotypes do NOT need any scientific proof to them, since they been mostly shaped by people's opinions based on the experiences they've lived through and things they've witnessed, therefore it is NOT considered an ultimate truth. However those experiences should count for something and some stereotypes DO have SOME truth in 'em. Here's an example for you. You not gonna try and dispute that lots of gay men act feminine, cuz they do. But here goes the stereotype: "ALL the gay guys are bitchy queens dressed up in flashy gowns wearing make-up and high heels". Well, I'm not. I happen to be very straight-acting, good-looking, young man, like the most of us. That's right, MOST of us. And as much as I hate to admit it, but yes, this given stereotype has a point to it. I've been there and seen it all. Same applies to anything else. So let's get back to that "blond VS brunette" issue. It's actually very simple. Everyone knows if you're ugly as hell, you better be sharp and clever, and it's no secret that blond women were considered somewhat...um.. more attractive than any other girls, which of course created a perfect conditions for a new stereotype to blossom.

P.S. no rocket science here...

Пт, Апр 14, 2006 02:44pm wizard - 6607 d back	↑↓
я где-то видел исследования по поводу привлекательности - мужчины больше предпочитают не блондинок

Пт, Апр 14, 2006 02:46pm гражданка - 6607 d back

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я могу понять, что ум в какой-то мере компенсирует отсутствие привлекательных внешних данных, но почему ум мешает красивым женщинам, мне сложно понять. т.е. я могу предположить, что они и без мозгов привлекут к себе внимание, но разве из этого следует, что у них нет мозгов?

зы: прочитай статью, которую я запостила выше.

Пт, Апр 14, 2006 02:50pm Elgransilencio - 6607 d back	↑↓
2гражданка I'm off to work now, but I'll read it later. I promise

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